1 00:00:39,990 --> 00:00:22,770 [Music] 2 00:00:44,319 --> 00:00:42,369 welcome I'm David Young and you're 3 00:00:47,110 --> 00:00:44,329 listening to paranormal dimensions on 4 00:00:50,170 --> 00:00:47,120 the paranormal UK radio network the UK's 5 00:00:52,150 --> 00:00:50,180 biggest paranormal network now today 6 00:00:55,990 --> 00:00:52,160 we've got a mother lucky guest for you 7 00:00:59,170 --> 00:00:56,000 and she's 30 seasons on the radio so she 8 00:01:02,140 --> 00:00:59,180 got very fantastic yeah I just listen 9 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:02,150 Dunlop just got a fantastic radio 10 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:03,650 presents I think you'll agree when you 11 00:01:08,020 --> 00:01:06,050 hear well and so I'm not gonna waste no 12 00:01:10,590 --> 00:01:08,030 more time because we went you up to an 13 00:01:12,609 --> 00:01:10,600 hour a week show now you may be aware 14 00:01:15,790 --> 00:01:12,619 it's not going to be every two weeks 15 00:01:19,139 --> 00:01:15,800 it's one a week those anyway waste no 16 00:01:21,580 --> 00:01:19,149 more time and introduce Allison Dunlop 17 00:01:22,419 --> 00:01:21,590 hello all lovely to be here thank you 18 00:01:24,639 --> 00:01:22,429 for inviting me 19 00:01:26,109 --> 00:01:24,649 oh it's a great pleasure I mean we've 20 00:01:28,150 --> 00:01:26,119 we've done a couple of shows before on 21 00:01:31,150 --> 00:01:28,160 your on your network so it's some of the 22 00:01:34,210 --> 00:01:31,160 assembly fair and any wise to have you 23 00:01:35,590 --> 00:01:34,220 on in this one because you know the 24 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:35,600 drill and then you've got a lot of 25 00:01:43,630 --> 00:01:38,330 experience in the paranormal anyway 26 00:01:46,419 --> 00:01:43,640 haven't you yes and below obviously I'm 27 00:01:49,260 --> 00:01:46,429 up in Scotland and on SPI Scotland 28 00:01:52,449 --> 00:01:49,270 Scottish and 29 00:01:56,020 --> 00:01:52,459 strange phenomena investigations in 30 00:02:06,930 --> 00:01:56,030 Scotland it is it was just it was always 31 00:02:20,949 --> 00:02:06,940 known as SPI you can start things off in 32 00:02:25,119 --> 00:02:20,959 1979 so going back quainter are we and 33 00:02:29,020 --> 00:02:25,129 we really must Malcolm appeared he has a 34 00:02:32,650 --> 00:02:29,030 great presence and energy for this kind 35 00:02:34,750 --> 00:02:32,660 of stuff and he really heated so well 36 00:02:38,369 --> 00:02:34,760 when he was up here and then things when 37 00:02:42,729 --> 00:02:38,379 he left went very quiet in Scotland and 38 00:02:45,250 --> 00:02:42,739 a few years back I managed to find him 39 00:02:50,590 --> 00:02:45,260 again on Facebook and Facebook SAR 40 00:02:52,839 --> 00:02:50,600 wonderful thing inaudible yeah you know 41 00:02:55,750 --> 00:02:52,849 I'd kind of moved away from the paranor 42 00:02:59,530 --> 00:02:55,760 stuff and I was doing as do my own thing 43 00:03:02,289 --> 00:02:59,540 I was I started the the Glasgow 44 00:03:05,619 --> 00:03:02,299 University Pekin society so I did that 45 00:03:07,449 --> 00:03:05,629 obviously I had I had gone to uni by 46 00:03:12,039 --> 00:03:07,459 that point and I was doing various other 47 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:12,049 things and then afterwards a few things 48 00:03:16,959 --> 00:03:13,010 happened 49 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:16,969 mm synchronistically m8c and and it kind 50 00:03:22,390 --> 00:03:19,010 of brought me kicking and screaming back 51 00:03:24,699 --> 00:03:22,400 to the the paranormal subject and I 52 00:03:26,559 --> 00:03:24,709 thought I really I really want to do an 53 00:03:32,559 --> 00:03:26,569 investigation again our investigations 54 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:32,569 again and I spoke to Malcolm and with 55 00:03:41,199 --> 00:03:36,650 his blessing he said why don't you start 56 00:03:43,179 --> 00:03:41,209 up SPI again and Scotland so and that 57 00:03:45,759 --> 00:03:43,189 was basically my dad he was still doing 58 00:03:50,020 --> 00:03:45,769 SPI stuff down in England and Hastings 59 00:03:52,899 --> 00:03:50,030 and he does his talks and things like 60 00:03:55,300 --> 00:03:52,909 that but it's a up here it was very very 61 00:03:57,159 --> 00:03:55,310 quiet as far as SPI ever concerned I 62 00:03:59,469 --> 00:03:57,169 mean those other things going on and 63 00:04:02,050 --> 00:03:59,479 those other investigation teams and 64 00:04:04,689 --> 00:04:02,060 other groups and things like that but I 65 00:04:07,689 --> 00:04:04,699 haven't really found any and Glasgow and 66 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:07,699 so apart from the SSP are thought Pete 67 00:04:14,140 --> 00:04:10,250 as well the Scottish Society for 68 00:04:16,180 --> 00:04:14,150 psychical research so I sometimes go to 69 00:04:19,749 --> 00:04:16,190 their meetings which wasn't very far 70 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:19,759 away from me but um yeah I just I think 71 00:04:31,719 --> 00:04:21,769 I just really wanted to do something for 72 00:04:37,060 --> 00:04:31,729 myself and start start something off and 73 00:04:41,050 --> 00:04:37,070 I think you know where I had started off 74 00:04:47,110 --> 00:04:41,060 with paranormal investigations was with 75 00:04:48,820 --> 00:04:47,120 SPI back in the the nineties and you 76 00:04:52,450 --> 00:04:48,830 know I'd done a few investigations but 77 00:04:57,189 --> 00:04:52,460 them and you know I think I just really 78 00:05:01,420 --> 00:04:57,199 wanted to get back to that so um and and 79 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:01,430 by that time I'd had experience with 80 00:05:06,670 --> 00:05:04,610 their other groups starting up other 81 00:05:09,939 --> 00:05:06,680 groups and an organizing thing 82 00:05:12,550 --> 00:05:09,949 and runnin things later on in the pic 83 00:05:16,300 --> 00:05:12,560 and society or on any events and such 84 00:05:18,969 --> 00:05:16,310 like so and you know I had all that this 85 00:05:21,850 --> 00:05:18,979 this of skills there to do that again 86 00:05:23,890 --> 00:05:21,860 and I wanted it to be in the paranormal 87 00:05:28,749 --> 00:05:23,900 and of course this of course at the same 88 00:05:31,749 --> 00:05:28,759 time I managed to get into manage to I 89 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:31,759 was offered to do a radio show with a 90 00:05:42,820 --> 00:05:37,130 radio station and Eastern Partnership 91 00:05:47,260 --> 00:05:42,830 and so I started doing EDX fails Eastern 92 00:05:49,210 --> 00:05:47,270 Partnership radio and that you know I 93 00:05:53,140 --> 00:05:49,220 was finding out about tensions with them 94 00:06:04,450 --> 00:05:53,150 and then I decided just to do my own 95 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:04,460 podcast EDX fails so seem to be able to 96 00:06:12,700 --> 00:06:09,410 change that on the on the Facebook you 97 00:06:15,730 --> 00:06:12,710 know the the URL and don't seem to be 98 00:06:18,610 --> 00:06:15,740 able to change that but yes it used to 99 00:06:23,020 --> 00:06:18,620 be EDX fails which was Eastern Barcia 100 00:06:27,420 --> 00:06:23,030 and it's no EDX fails which is Allison 101 00:06:34,420 --> 00:06:31,810 yeah I think so when this comes out 102 00:06:36,159 --> 00:06:34,430 there is good you'll be this Peter do 103 00:06:39,270 --> 00:06:36,169 you think but I'll be putting links on 104 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:39,280 the page is about moral dimensions and 105 00:06:47,650 --> 00:06:55,230 [Laughter] 106 00:06:59,200 --> 00:06:57,760 as you saying things the kickoff of 107 00:07:00,969 --> 00:06:59,210 being a couple years ago but well we 108 00:07:03,820 --> 00:07:00,979 don't go into it here that but so we 109 00:07:06,189 --> 00:07:03,830 became quite close I know we've had a 110 00:07:08,589 --> 00:07:06,199 sort of kind of briefly met a few Tyler 111 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:08,599 cutlets on double dates that we've come 112 00:07:24,730 --> 00:07:21,780 yeah it's you see though you mentioned 113 00:07:26,140 --> 00:07:24,740 yeah or very very much so in it is you 114 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:26,150 see there you mentioned the conference 115 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:30,050 we made at the 2016 conference and 116 00:07:36,310 --> 00:07:34,370 that's something that before that no the 117 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:36,320 year before was an Edinburgh that was 118 00:07:43,660 --> 00:07:40,610 our first conference in 2015 and you 119 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:43,670 know that was it's a Malcolm myself and 120 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:46,930 wrong holiday and who's also another 121 00:07:54,670 --> 00:07:50,810 very seasoned investigator and a 122 00:07:57,910 --> 00:07:54,680 researcher or third lecturer and in the 123 00:08:00,910 --> 00:07:57,920 paranormal an apology and the 3 overs 124 00:08:02,980 --> 00:08:00,920 heads together and we decided we were 125 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:02,990 going to do a conference and we've been 126 00:08:09,670 --> 00:08:05,450 saying this for a few years beforehand 127 00:08:11,890 --> 00:08:09,680 and then you know we we just decided to 128 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:11,900 get on with it and you know come on is 129 00:08:17,350 --> 00:08:15,050 what we're going to do here so um it has 130 00:08:20,170 --> 00:08:17,360 been so successful and I think it was 131 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:20,180 really who's Scotland had been needed 132 00:08:28,150 --> 00:08:26,450 and you know and wanted it's you know 133 00:08:31,870 --> 00:08:28,160 Scotland I think sometimes got just 134 00:08:35,560 --> 00:08:31,880 because get about forgotten a you know 135 00:08:38,770 --> 00:08:35,570 it's like we are feud has been a million 136 00:08:41,170 --> 00:08:38,780 miles away and a lot of sports because 137 00:08:43,300 --> 00:08:41,180 doing get asked and as a result you know 138 00:08:47,500 --> 00:08:43,310 to speak other conferences as a result 139 00:08:49,450 --> 00:08:47,510 of that um you know you've not maybe got 140 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:49,460 a lot of people who have confidence to 141 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:53,810 speak especially women this is you know 142 00:09:03,430 --> 00:08:57,890 a point that I do have to feel that 143 00:09:05,740 --> 00:09:03,440 after days and as a you know women have 144 00:09:09,310 --> 00:09:05,750 a very quiet voice especially in 145 00:09:11,610 --> 00:09:09,320 ethology and but what's the Scottish 146 00:09:14,410 --> 00:09:11,620 conference we are trying to promote 147 00:09:18,100 --> 00:09:14,420 Scottish speakers and more female 148 00:09:21,610 --> 00:09:18,110 speakers is taking time you know slowly 149 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:21,620 but surely and will will get their bets 150 00:09:29,100 --> 00:09:24,890 and oh get some great speakers again 151 00:09:34,410 --> 00:09:31,380 we don't like to come up again at some 152 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:34,420 point I'm sure I will because people in 153 00:09:45,300 --> 00:09:42,490 Peter rockiness came over just all that 154 00:09:48,780 --> 00:09:45,310 but yeah you know that picture dropping 155 00:09:54,180 --> 00:09:48,790 so it was on my previous show and he was 156 00:09:57,060 --> 00:09:54,190 a great guest also really concentrate on 157 00:09:59,069 --> 00:09:57,070 you isn't it we also understand you you 158 00:10:00,290 --> 00:09:59,079 know a lot of our angels and demons in 159 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:00,300 particular 160 00:10:08,870 --> 00:10:03,970 yes I'm kind of carving up a vanish for 161 00:10:12,690 --> 00:10:08,880 myself from the paranormal as far as the 162 00:10:15,150 --> 00:10:12,700 too much about so you know the stories 163 00:10:18,449 --> 00:10:15,160 and things but these feet to somebody 164 00:10:20,610 --> 00:10:18,459 knows quite a bit about we kind of said 165 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:20,620 people might poopoo angels and things 166 00:10:25,170 --> 00:10:22,930 like that foot with the moral code about 167 00:10:28,860 --> 00:10:25,180 things like this oh you're such a lot 168 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:28,870 about it you know you think oh this 169 00:10:35,699 --> 00:10:31,930 probably something in yes okay well I've 170 00:10:39,269 --> 00:10:35,709 had my own experiences with both and and 171 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:39,279 people can you know take out of these 172 00:10:45,660 --> 00:10:42,010 stories what port the uestion and and 173 00:10:49,560 --> 00:10:45,670 what well you know what they can and but 174 00:10:53,130 --> 00:10:49,570 I've certainly had experiences that have 175 00:10:58,069 --> 00:10:53,140 been quite either quite terrifying or 176 00:11:03,240 --> 00:10:58,079 profound in some way that I mean I never 177 00:11:05,819 --> 00:11:03,250 for many years I I never believed and or 178 00:11:08,460 --> 00:11:05,829 was really interested and anything like 179 00:11:13,410 --> 00:11:08,470 that and it might be demons just because 180 00:11:16,050 --> 00:11:13,420 I was above a horror fun but um you know 181 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:16,060 not particularly into that subject to me 182 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:19,810 it was a very Christian thing and I was 183 00:11:27,810 --> 00:11:24,010 pagan for many years so I didn't really 184 00:11:34,430 --> 00:11:27,820 look at that side of things and it was 185 00:11:39,990 --> 00:11:34,440 only really when I started doing Reiki 186 00:11:41,740 --> 00:11:40,000 that I in meditations I would get angels 187 00:11:45,340 --> 00:11:41,750 coming to me 188 00:11:50,319 --> 00:11:45,350 and I mean obviously Enrique are doing 189 00:11:54,730 --> 00:11:50,329 healing it's a type of healing and you 190 00:12:00,040 --> 00:11:54,740 know your your your tuning to the life 191 00:12:04,629 --> 00:12:00,050 force energy around us and you know 192 00:12:06,759 --> 00:12:04,639 these beings these energies are all part 193 00:12:09,879 --> 00:12:06,769 of that and they were you know they were 194 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:09,889 revealing themselves to me and in many 195 00:12:15,009 --> 00:12:11,689 ways and then I realized that you know 196 00:12:16,629 --> 00:12:15,019 the the they were there to help if I 197 00:12:20,980 --> 00:12:16,639 wanted them to help I read a little bit 198 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:20,990 about them I did call upon them on 199 00:12:29,829 --> 00:12:24,610 occasions and and it had come to my aid 200 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:29,839 so you know I over time began to realize 201 00:12:41,530 --> 00:12:34,370 that yeah these these angelic beings are 202 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:41,540 real they are helpful and they will come 203 00:12:47,139 --> 00:12:45,050 to your aid if you ask them to so of 204 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:47,149 course I talked my inner light 205 00:12:56,129 --> 00:12:52,370 experience of a demonic nature where I 206 00:13:00,340 --> 00:12:56,139 was attacked by an activist and I've 207 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:00,350 told the story many many times but I'd 208 00:13:12,900 --> 00:13:09,170 woken up alright then so I had woken up 209 00:13:15,730 --> 00:13:12,910 and and I'd been having a nightmare 210 00:13:19,540 --> 00:13:15,740 I went too weak in my partner I was 211 00:13:22,809 --> 00:13:19,550 unable to weak and I'm a ton drained and 212 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:22,819 I mean a ton drained to weaken him but 213 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:25,850 then I was I was flipped onto my back 214 00:13:36,340 --> 00:13:33,170 and suddenly the business meal demon on 215 00:13:40,569 --> 00:13:36,350 top of me halt pinning me down and 216 00:13:45,009 --> 00:13:40,579 trying to UM trying to cut my neck with 217 00:13:48,790 --> 00:13:45,019 his cut my throat with his this one long 218 00:13:50,350 --> 00:13:48,800 fingernail and he said to me you thought 219 00:13:53,379 --> 00:13:50,360 you could get away from it doesn't--you 220 00:13:55,150 --> 00:13:53,389 and it's all that isn't terrifying 221 00:13:59,500 --> 00:13:55,160 enough because I couldn't move 222 00:14:02,050 --> 00:13:59,510 at all at this point I could move my 223 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:02,060 eyes though and I could see over in the 224 00:14:10,900 --> 00:14:07,370 corner this and old women long scraggly 225 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:10,910 hair long white natey giggling in her 226 00:14:16,660 --> 00:14:13,610 hand and she obviously thought this was 227 00:14:19,090 --> 00:14:16,670 very funny later on when I looked into 228 00:14:23,220 --> 00:14:19,100 all this stuff I realized that she is 229 00:14:25,990 --> 00:14:23,230 the the old hag the the nightmare 230 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:26,000 created the mere LaMotta where we get 231 00:14:38,050 --> 00:14:31,490 the word nightmare from and the there's 232 00:14:42,730 --> 00:14:38,060 various versions of the Incubus 233 00:14:45,850 --> 00:14:42,740 narrative if you like there's various 234 00:14:52,060 --> 00:14:45,860 characters involved in the narrative so 235 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:52,070 you've got this meal adult demon female 236 00:14:58,980 --> 00:14:56,450 adult demon little keepeth you've got 237 00:15:03,430 --> 00:14:58,990 the Mara the old women of the hag 238 00:15:07,390 --> 00:15:03,440 because it's sometimes called all ha and 239 00:15:13,810 --> 00:15:07,400 you've got this little troll like say MP 240 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:13,820 SH and creature the times appear on top 241 00:15:19,900 --> 00:15:17,930 of people and sometimes the demons of a 242 00:15:20,290 --> 00:15:19,910 murderous nature as it seemed to be with 243 00:15:26,110 --> 00:15:20,300 me 244 00:15:29,260 --> 00:15:26,120 of a sexual nature which in this case it 245 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:29,270 wasn't but M is something that I have 246 00:15:38,050 --> 00:15:33,490 noticed with Incubus attacks is that it 247 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:38,060 quite often happens when there's 248 00:15:46,930 --> 00:15:41,210 problems in a relationship or when 249 00:15:52,060 --> 00:15:46,940 somebody and has psychological problems 250 00:15:54,870 --> 00:15:52,070 about relationships now that's all that 251 00:15:59,500 --> 00:15:54,880 I've really observed and as as far as 252 00:16:01,500 --> 00:15:59,510 the what's not all of observed but it's 253 00:16:08,610 --> 00:16:01,510 one of one of the things I've observed 254 00:16:10,860 --> 00:16:08,620 I've observed that things like having a 255 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:10,870 it's Werdum late or an hour music 256 00:16:17,220 --> 00:16:14,770 playing well keep these experiences from 257 00:16:19,620 --> 00:16:17,230 happening or they're quite helpful 258 00:16:25,650 --> 00:16:19,630 anyway keeping our window closed just 259 00:16:28,350 --> 00:16:25,660 seems to be helpful but you know I don't 260 00:16:30,660 --> 00:16:28,360 know what the demons have and always 261 00:16:32,610 --> 00:16:30,670 have had some kind of double function 262 00:16:34,170 --> 00:16:32,620 they tell you something I've written 263 00:16:38,510 --> 00:16:34,180 that happens I've experienced that 264 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:41,130 you know in ancient times they would 265 00:16:49,470 --> 00:16:45,970 have remember Pazuzu and the exorcists 266 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:49,480 and the demon in the exorcist felt they 267 00:16:57,030 --> 00:16:52,690 would keep statues statues and houses of 268 00:16:59,160 --> 00:16:57,040 em Pazuzu because he was a demon of the 269 00:17:02,460 --> 00:16:59,170 wind and he was so powerful and so 270 00:17:07,650 --> 00:17:02,470 frightened to people that he was thought 271 00:17:10,380 --> 00:17:07,660 that he would keep away other demons so 272 00:17:15,870 --> 00:17:10,390 in that guise he was actually a 273 00:17:18,350 --> 00:17:15,880 good-luck charm as that where so it's 274 00:17:24,750 --> 00:17:18,360 not unusual for demons to be able to do 275 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:26,640 well I was in quite a troubled 276 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:29,970 relationship at the time I was quite and 277 00:17:41,610 --> 00:17:35,170 I think my voice in inverted commas was 278 00:17:45,750 --> 00:17:41,620 was quite suppressed I would say and and 279 00:17:49,670 --> 00:17:45,760 there was a lot of probably more like 280 00:17:53,850 --> 00:17:49,680 emotional abuse going on there know 281 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:53,860 whether that demon was an actual entity 282 00:18:03,990 --> 00:17:56,890 who was drawn to that whether it was 283 00:18:07,010 --> 00:18:04,000 causing that you know so many reasons 284 00:18:09,060 --> 00:18:07,020 and and I always kept an open mind and I 285 00:18:10,740 --> 00:18:09,070 you know it kind of got to the point 286 00:18:13,350 --> 00:18:10,750 Pete I thought doesn't really matter 287 00:18:16,610 --> 00:18:13,360 whether it was an entity or whether it 288 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:16,620 was psychological phenomena 289 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:21,490 the fact is that it happened I perceived 290 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:22,250 it top 291 00:18:28,980 --> 00:18:24,890 so what happened the experience itself 292 00:18:31,980 --> 00:18:28,990 was real and maybe there's something 293 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:31,990 that more that I should be looking at 294 00:18:37,210 --> 00:18:35,570 and less and and that was there was lots 295 00:18:42,910 --> 00:18:37,220 of different things that have drawn me 296 00:18:46,770 --> 00:18:42,920 to want to become an exorcist and and 297 00:19:00,460 --> 00:18:46,780 that was that was probably the earliest 298 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:00,470 experience that I'd had you think it may 299 00:19:08,410 --> 00:19:03,970 be as if I mention attack of some sort 300 00:19:12,460 --> 00:19:08,420 yeah I mean people have said that maybe 301 00:19:14,980 --> 00:19:12,470 these things are actually of a reptilian 302 00:19:20,830 --> 00:19:14,990 nature some people have said that they 303 00:19:24,310 --> 00:19:20,840 are gen as in DGI NN which is another 304 00:19:26,940 --> 00:19:24,320 possibility I was going to go somewhere 305 00:19:29,790 --> 00:19:26,950 by thought and I can't remember no 306 00:19:40,780 --> 00:19:29,800 [Laughter] 307 00:19:45,970 --> 00:19:40,790 easily easily thrown yes so that was my 308 00:19:47,980 --> 00:19:45,980 earliest experience of demonic entity 309 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:47,990 whatever yeah 310 00:19:52,090 --> 00:19:51,530 it's terrifying because you can't move 311 00:19:56,370 --> 00:19:52,100 either 312 00:20:03,390 --> 00:19:56,380 you can't fight off you can't run away I 313 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:03,400 know what I was going to go with us so a 314 00:20:11,620 --> 00:20:05,810 fortnight later or maybe was a week 315 00:20:14,530 --> 00:20:11,630 later the same thing started to happen 316 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:14,540 but I managed to scream out this time 317 00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:17,930 and and my partner who had been through 318 00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:20,480 the room came in and switched on the 319 00:20:28,780 --> 00:20:23,840 light and that was that was that came 320 00:20:32,140 --> 00:20:28,790 over I mean it could be that you're just 321 00:20:35,620 --> 00:20:32,150 seeing into another dimension because 322 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:35,630 there was this of um you know the feel 323 00:20:38,419 --> 00:20:36,210 has life 324 00:20:42,529 --> 00:20:38,429 - does that where there's a soft bluish 325 00:20:44,210 --> 00:20:42,539 color which I wonder whether that had 326 00:20:46,940 --> 00:20:44,220 anything to do with the third eye 327 00:20:50,409 --> 00:20:46,950 opening and the color that's associated 328 00:20:59,570 --> 00:20:50,419 with the third eye is this of them 329 00:21:01,700 --> 00:20:59,580 bluish purplish color my hair to answer 330 00:21:04,340 --> 00:21:01,710 this because operated before when I was 331 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:04,350 very very young I had a purple mist 332 00:21:08,180 --> 00:21:06,450 coming to the room of swirling around 333 00:21:10,909 --> 00:21:08,190 the room I can actually still remember 334 00:21:13,850 --> 00:21:10,919 it operation it before a couple of other 335 00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:13,860 programs and he swirls around the room 336 00:21:17,389 --> 00:21:15,840 and I was terrified by ok be nothing 337 00:21:19,730 --> 00:21:17,399 always only pilots probably any so he 338 00:21:22,669 --> 00:21:19,740 was something wrong right I remembered 339 00:21:25,009 --> 00:21:22,679 father coming here I'm pointing to this 340 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:25,019 purple mr. swirly after this row back at 341 00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:29,490 Romans wink to tease him he didn't see 342 00:21:33,230 --> 00:21:31,679 it whoa just make it I've always 343 00:21:35,269 --> 00:21:33,240 wondered what the hell that what a 344 00:21:41,919 --> 00:21:35,279 purple mist was but you mentioned in 345 00:21:46,430 --> 00:21:41,929 that blue and the purple mist it yeah oh 346 00:21:51,789 --> 00:21:46,440 and blue was a Supra it was always 347 00:21:55,129 --> 00:21:51,799 associated of this pronoun Scotland and 348 00:21:57,950 --> 00:21:55,139 so it may well either you know I mean if 349 00:22:01,789 --> 00:21:57,960 you were to the time children famously 350 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:01,799 are able to see other things you know 351 00:22:10,460 --> 00:22:06,450 they um they seem to be able to see into 352 00:22:12,619 --> 00:22:10,470 these other nations so I know I was in a 353 00:22:15,169 --> 00:22:12,629 car with a side I could never stand 354 00:22:28,249 --> 00:22:15,179 being a cop the decider so I must have 355 00:22:30,529 --> 00:22:28,259 been around about I mean I I would say 356 00:22:32,899 --> 00:22:30,539 you were so young you were able to see 357 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:32,909 whatever it was that your far other will 358 00:22:43,970 --> 00:22:39,450 see and and we unless our brains like 359 00:22:48,049 --> 00:22:43,980 hard and we do have this of um what 360 00:22:48,990 --> 00:22:48,059 would you see it's like a safety cashes 361 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:49,000 it 362 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:51,850 because otherwise there is so much 363 00:22:57,450 --> 00:22:54,850 around us we would be quite like 364 00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:57,460 overwhelmed by the amount of n for me 365 00:23:02,850 --> 00:23:00,240 yeah ancient aliens would have to taken 366 00:23:09,870 --> 00:23:02,860 if we were bombarded with that all the 367 00:23:14,399 --> 00:23:09,880 time yeah or it's just that our brains 368 00:23:17,279 --> 00:23:14,409 start to you know develop and the 369 00:23:23,100 --> 00:23:17,289 ability to block out certain things that 370 00:23:26,820 --> 00:23:23,110 would overwhelm our sense is you know so 371 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:26,830 that's one thing but I had always been 372 00:23:36,539 --> 00:23:33,370 looking at thank things from the point 373 00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:36,549 of view of the demonic now 14 years 374 00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:42,510 lease so I bumped into James Welsh and 375 00:23:49,700 --> 00:23:46,510 he told me about his experiences seeing 376 00:23:54,270 --> 00:23:49,710 the UFOs it coming up to the millennium 377 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:54,280 December 1999 and it wasn't until he 378 00:24:01,169 --> 00:23:57,490 handed me trained homeland he handed me 379 00:24:03,060 --> 00:24:01,179 a photograph and yeah I think it was an 380 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:03,070 Emmy join us for and actually they heard 381 00:24:11,610 --> 00:24:09,250 and he said it's not it's not real I've 382 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:11,620 done it like a photo short term last 383 00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:14,770 year for to show people weird I saw in 384 00:24:23,539 --> 00:24:19,600 what it looked like and it was right 385 00:24:32,490 --> 00:24:23,549 above my flat then weird I had had that 386 00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:32,500 experience in December 1999 so I mean I 387 00:24:39,060 --> 00:24:35,440 can't pinpoint D its but I do know it 388 00:24:41,220 --> 00:24:39,070 was around about December 1999 and that 389 00:24:43,799 --> 00:24:41,230 you know it was the same time that James 390 00:24:48,810 --> 00:24:43,809 had seen this year for above my flat 391 00:24:51,180 --> 00:24:48,820 that just employed it it was just he 392 00:24:53,820 --> 00:24:51,190 said it was like plasma and it just 393 00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:53,830 employed it and I think that was I think 394 00:24:58,560 --> 00:24:57,760 that I was hurry described saw it made 395 00:25:02,490 --> 00:24:58,570 me think Oh 396 00:25:06,060 --> 00:25:02,500 could there be a UF or even stroke alien 397 00:25:10,350 --> 00:25:06,070 action to us you know could it be that 398 00:25:14,130 --> 00:25:10,360 some kind of electromagnetic thing and 399 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:14,140 the atmosphere has caused me to help us 400 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:19,090 in it you know just I'm very open-minded 401 00:25:25,050 --> 00:25:22,810 about what it may have been that's not 402 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:25,060 to say that I don't you believe in 403 00:25:29,130 --> 00:25:25,570 demons 404 00:25:32,490 --> 00:25:29,140 and the angels because I very much do to 405 00:25:34,890 --> 00:25:32,500 make that clear but for me the personal 406 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:34,900 experience I know that in the scientific 407 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:38,050 community certainly a psychological 408 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:42,490 community and it just put it down to 409 00:25:49,950 --> 00:25:45,970 sleep paralysis which is fine and there 410 00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:49,960 was hours well you know there was sleep 411 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:52,510 paralysis and that's absolutely true 412 00:26:00,150 --> 00:25:56,890 what interests me is why do people see 413 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:00,160 the same thing is it something to do 414 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:03,610 with the Jungian archetypes quit me 415 00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:09,010 be particularly you know the martyr you 416 00:26:14,220 --> 00:26:10,960 know is it something like that so I mean 417 00:26:17,550 --> 00:26:14,230 there's lots of different arguments lots 418 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:17,560 of different theories to explain away 419 00:26:22,770 --> 00:26:19,690 something like thank you pass attack but 420 00:26:25,470 --> 00:26:22,780 people see the same things you know they 421 00:26:29,150 --> 00:26:25,480 see these particular four particular 422 00:26:31,890 --> 00:26:29,160 characters in some form or another and 423 00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:31,900 that in itself I find quite fascinating 424 00:26:39,630 --> 00:26:37,120 if I would I had never heard of this 425 00:26:41,930 --> 00:26:39,640 experience to her harder I didn't know 426 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:41,940 anyone else who had harder and 427 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:44,170 afterwards I spoke to my friends and 428 00:26:49,650 --> 00:26:47,290 none of them had heard it we've just 429 00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:49,660 looked at me like I had the little horns 430 00:26:56,780 --> 00:26:54,880 on my head you know don't know what 431 00:26:59,280 --> 00:26:56,790 you're talking about 432 00:27:03,930 --> 00:26:59,290 yeah I think we just thought I needed 433 00:27:07,740 --> 00:27:03,940 some psychiatric help or something yeah 434 00:27:10,590 --> 00:27:07,750 in fact and somebody did say to me what 435 00:27:12,060 --> 00:27:10,600 were you smoking at the time and I said 436 00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:12,070 no I was completely sober 437 00:27:22,500 --> 00:27:16,240 you know I smoked or dry 438 00:27:25,260 --> 00:27:22,510 anything so it certainly wasn't anything 439 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:25,270 I hadn't been influenced by innocent 440 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:29,010 like that so that that was my 441 00:27:35,730 --> 00:27:33,370 introduction to the world of the demonic 442 00:27:40,860 --> 00:27:35,740 fallacy it was that introduction in that 443 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:40,870 sure fact when I was 14 and before this 444 00:27:44,790 --> 00:27:43,090 I I used to watch the the Hammer horror 445 00:27:47,580 --> 00:27:44,800 films with my dad when I was a little 446 00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:47,590 ghetto and I mean they're great team 447 00:28:00,210 --> 00:27:52,559 really but Christopher Lee as fantastic 448 00:28:02,460 --> 00:28:00,220 and then and so my grandfather so he was 449 00:28:04,910 --> 00:28:02,470 always going to like secondhand book 450 00:28:08,190 --> 00:28:04,920 sales and things like that and he said 451 00:28:12,930 --> 00:28:08,200 you like hoarder don't you I said yeah I 452 00:28:14,910 --> 00:28:12,940 do is it well and I picked this up you 453 00:28:17,910 --> 00:28:14,920 may like it you know with the big seal 454 00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:17,920 and he handed me the Exorcist in pewter 455 00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:21,760 blast she's The Exorcist he had he 456 00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:25,120 hadn't read himself he had no idea what 457 00:28:51,570 --> 00:28:38,100 fourteen year old granddaughter it was 458 00:28:53,910 --> 00:28:51,580 all originally oh my goodness actually 459 00:29:00,090 --> 00:28:53,920 that's enjoy it and it and it's a free 460 00:29:01,620 --> 00:29:00,100 community not much but it really is but 461 00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:01,630 I just have to chalk although it was my 462 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:04,240 clan follow the gave me any he was none 463 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:06,610 the wiser and I never never said to him 464 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:10,330 hey that was some big and so that I 465 00:29:19,140 --> 00:29:12,970 guess was in my introduction to the 466 00:29:22,340 --> 00:29:19,150 demonic but I was in my late my late 467 00:29:25,290 --> 00:29:22,350 twenties when I had that experience so 468 00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:25,300 the book did not influence me to have 469 00:29:29,010 --> 00:29:27,760 you know an experience like the Incubus 470 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:29,020 attack 471 00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:31,090 and what wants it with you it's not 472 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:33,520 something you were employed or 473 00:29:39,630 --> 00:29:38,170 definitely definitely no what no no you 474 00:29:41,550 --> 00:29:39,640 don't want something like that it is 475 00:29:45,210 --> 00:29:41,560 utterly terrifying and you are 476 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:45,220 completely powerless under that whatever 477 00:29:48,860 --> 00:29:47,650 that for says you're completely 478 00:29:52,050 --> 00:29:48,870 powerless 479 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:52,060 had I known about the Angels then I 480 00:29:58,110 --> 00:29:54,970 might have asked for their help at that 481 00:30:02,610 --> 00:29:58,120 point because I have done as I said 482 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:02,620 earlier on and I have invoked the angels 483 00:30:11,070 --> 00:30:07,210 to help and they have done one occasion 484 00:30:15,540 --> 00:30:11,080 was in a hospital and it was the woman 485 00:30:19,770 --> 00:30:15,550 in the room next to me she was an old 486 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:19,780 woman she was very very sick and her 487 00:30:26,010 --> 00:30:23,050 family had been cold and they were I saw 488 00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:26,020 them talking to the doctors outside the 489 00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:31,120 room and they were very upset but taken 490 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:34,240 tons to go in and sat with her at one 491 00:30:40,140 --> 00:30:36,730 point there was nobody I was safe to him 492 00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:40,150 and I looked up know her room I should 493 00:30:49,170 --> 00:30:45,360 say was diagonally left to my room so I 494 00:30:56,940 --> 00:30:49,180 looked up and outside her door there was 495 00:30:59,930 --> 00:30:56,950 a dark shadow and I stole I was just 496 00:31:04,890 --> 00:30:59,940 like suddenly region and I looked up and 497 00:31:09,150 --> 00:31:04,900 then the shadow began to move it started 498 00:31:12,690 --> 00:31:09,160 to move towards her room and I thought 499 00:31:14,610 --> 00:31:12,700 that you know I just got I mean it 500 00:31:16,650 --> 00:31:14,620 wasn't just I got the creeps 501 00:31:23,660 --> 00:31:16,660 I really felt it was something quite 502 00:31:27,090 --> 00:31:23,670 evil about this dark shadow so I am 503 00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:27,100 closed my book and I called out to the 504 00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:30,190 Angels and Michael for protection and 505 00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:34,720 courage and Raphael for healing and 506 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:38,080 asked them to you know protect and guard 507 00:31:43,770 --> 00:31:41,410 and heal this old woman 508 00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:43,780 and then I told the shard or that and 509 00:31:51,870 --> 00:31:48,000 this woman was protected and um 510 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:51,880 basically to do one you know to to leave 511 00:32:00,049 --> 00:31:56,410 it alone and at that point it started to 512 00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:00,059 move back from the door and disappear 513 00:32:08,430 --> 00:32:04,809 the next day the old woman was well 514 00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:08,440 enough to be moved into wards and she 515 00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:10,110 had over an ie 516 00:32:17,850 --> 00:32:14,799 had some kind of miraculous maybe not 517 00:32:19,919 --> 00:32:17,860 recovery but she certainly was she was 518 00:32:21,630 --> 00:32:19,929 walking on a you know she was able to 519 00:32:24,270 --> 00:32:21,640 walk on her when she was able to walk 520 00:32:27,570 --> 00:32:24,280 like from the room and to abort 521 00:32:30,750 --> 00:32:27,580 and and and so I mean obviously I don't 522 00:32:36,210 --> 00:32:30,760 know the ending to that but I asked a 523 00:32:38,610 --> 00:32:36,220 nurse and if well first of all I said to 524 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:38,620 the nurse I got this interest have you 525 00:32:42,450 --> 00:32:40,570 ever seen anything in the hospital so I 526 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:42,460 didn't tell her anything about the dark 527 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:44,530 shadow I didn't want him to give me a 528 00:32:49,380 --> 00:32:46,330 referral to psychiatric you know or 529 00:32:51,390 --> 00:32:49,390 something like that um and she said yes 530 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:51,400 that is something out there we see out 531 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:54,490 the corner of an eye we see the shadow 532 00:33:02,039 --> 00:32:56,770 at the corner of her eye just going back 533 00:33:04,590 --> 00:33:02,049 and forward and last week there was an 534 00:33:08,220 --> 00:33:04,600 old man in the ward along to the right 535 00:33:11,970 --> 00:33:08,230 and we have the screams in the middle of 536 00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:11,980 the night the nurses ran through and he 537 00:33:18,539 --> 00:33:13,809 said he was been dragged out the bed by 538 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:18,549 his feet and they got him comfortable 539 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:20,530 again gave my cup of tea settled him 540 00:33:26,730 --> 00:33:23,530 down and a little while later one of the 541 00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:26,740 nurses went into the room she was her 542 00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:28,510 hand was up in something in a cupboard 543 00:33:37,140 --> 00:33:31,809 and she just felt this other hand 544 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:37,150 clamped down on her arm and she was out 545 00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:43,090 of there very quickly so there was you 546 00:33:48,659 --> 00:33:44,799 know there had been something in there 547 00:33:53,030 --> 00:33:48,669 for other still well I don't think 548 00:33:56,330 --> 00:33:53,040 they're now used for for awards 549 00:33:57,860 --> 00:33:56,340 in fact I think though this was in the 550 00:34:02,150 --> 00:33:57,870 West and I think it's actually been 551 00:34:03,980 --> 00:34:02,160 demolished now and which is I think 552 00:34:09,250 --> 00:34:03,990 quite good news particularly for that 553 00:34:11,570 --> 00:34:09,260 what but you know that was another 554 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:11,580 angelic thing that happened and it 555 00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:13,649 doesn't have to be something like a big 556 00:34:21,050 --> 00:34:17,520 and major like that you know but we we 557 00:34:24,590 --> 00:34:21,060 all do today have things that happen 558 00:34:28,850 --> 00:34:24,600 that M cause us to be anxious or worried 559 00:34:32,030 --> 00:34:28,860 or whatever and you know it's an example 560 00:34:34,669 --> 00:34:32,040 that the angels are there to be called 561 00:34:38,570 --> 00:34:34,679 upon and it can just be something like 562 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:38,580 you know quite um like you can't find 563 00:34:44,419 --> 00:34:41,210 something that's really important you 564 00:34:49,010 --> 00:34:44,429 know and and you can ask for their help 565 00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:49,020 with something like that so just ask the 566 00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:52,800 angels and you'll you'll find it like 567 00:35:09,830 --> 00:35:07,730 exorcism obviously it wasn't a major you 568 00:35:12,620 --> 00:35:09,840 could do I mean you could do it 569 00:35:15,350 --> 00:35:12,630 certainly whoever was after I left and a 570 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:15,360 little backed off and I mean of course 571 00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:20,370 an exorcism you invoke their angels as 572 00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:22,560 well as the scenes and and meaty and 573 00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:25,520 Jesus is they're all very very powerful 574 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:32,310 names and energies to take and the you 575 00:35:40,340 --> 00:35:36,170 know to exercise the the evil entity 576 00:35:43,700 --> 00:35:40,350 from a person or from a home or whatever 577 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:43,710 so I guess in a way it was like maybe a 578 00:35:50,780 --> 00:35:48,210 mini exercise oh yeah I guess so 579 00:35:52,730 --> 00:35:50,790 I guess it was I mean I've done another 580 00:35:59,200 --> 00:35:52,740 one and my house which I would see was 581 00:36:02,600 --> 00:35:59,210 was quite a major exorcism I had had 582 00:36:05,810 --> 00:36:02,610 some work was getting done in the flat 583 00:36:08,780 --> 00:36:05,820 and one of the workmen that came on 584 00:36:11,570 --> 00:36:08,790 I just there was something about I 585 00:36:16,100 --> 00:36:11,580 didn't like as soon as he stepped in the 586 00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:16,110 door and after he had gone there was 587 00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:18,420 still I still felt like somebody was on 588 00:36:33,260 --> 00:36:30,320 my flat it's just a sense you know that 589 00:36:36,050 --> 00:36:33,270 and as I say afterwards I realized what 590 00:36:39,260 --> 00:36:36,060 it was was probably the he had an 591 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:39,270 attachment watham and it had em decided 592 00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:42,890 to lingered about after he left and 593 00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:46,710 either he brought more than one and and 594 00:36:53,060 --> 00:36:49,710 and left with you know one and left why 595 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:53,070 not or or he had just left this one but 596 00:37:00,920 --> 00:36:55,530 anyway there was afterwards it was s 597 00:37:03,470 --> 00:37:00,930 presence and its really unsettling when 598 00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:03,480 that happens and I've never really I 599 00:37:08,210 --> 00:37:05,520 don't think I'd ever really felt it 600 00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:08,220 before but it just says like somebody's 601 00:37:14,210 --> 00:37:10,800 and my flat I can feel them I can 602 00:37:17,140 --> 00:37:14,220 actually there I can feel them and it 603 00:37:19,490 --> 00:37:17,150 that neither was noises in the hallway 604 00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:19,500 but there was you know nothing to 605 00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:22,740 account for them the next morning there 606 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:25,680 was loud noises in the leffen room when 607 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:28,530 I opened the cartons and there was like 608 00:37:35,090 --> 00:37:33,690 some since I it was nothing there was 609 00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,100 nothing in the herb that had that you 610 00:37:40,670 --> 00:37:37,680 know what fallen or whatever and then 611 00:37:42,890 --> 00:37:40,680 the kitchen flooded and at that point I 612 00:37:45,460 --> 00:37:42,900 just ton Jones in my living room and 613 00:37:47,870 --> 00:37:45,470 said right that is it 614 00:37:51,140 --> 00:37:47,880 you cannot stay here 615 00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:51,150 you cannot attach yourself to me this is 616 00:38:02,600 --> 00:37:57,930 my home and you can just get out in more 617 00:38:05,870 --> 00:38:02,610 floaty language than that and nothing 618 00:38:12,140 --> 00:38:05,880 happened for about a fortnight and about 619 00:38:14,450 --> 00:38:12,150 a fortnight later I woke up and I felt 620 00:38:18,740 --> 00:38:14,460 like I was being attacked it was kind of 621 00:38:20,540 --> 00:38:18,750 late the Incubus thing and 622 00:38:23,150 --> 00:38:20,550 something that but it was an invisible 623 00:38:28,430 --> 00:38:23,160 force I couldn't see what it was had 624 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:28,440 both my rests and I was you know I was 625 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:33,450 as strong as a McCoy so I would say 626 00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:37,130 therefore that it probably was humans 627 00:38:49,220 --> 00:38:43,250 you know and sped it if you like perhaps 628 00:38:52,849 --> 00:38:49,230 but it had a hold of me and you know I 629 00:38:58,460 --> 00:38:52,859 was shouting a few things data and told 630 00:39:01,760 --> 00:38:58,470 again to leave and a fortnight again 631 00:39:06,020 --> 00:39:01,770 when it passed and nothing and then 632 00:39:09,650 --> 00:39:06,030 there was noise and the walls will cut 633 00:39:13,490 --> 00:39:09,660 one night and the walls were shaking the 634 00:39:16,190 --> 00:39:13,500 bed was shaking and I thought right I 635 00:39:21,020 --> 00:39:16,200 really this is this not it's not getting 636 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:21,030 the hint here him that after all the 637 00:39:29,809 --> 00:39:24,690 things that I've said so I did a major 638 00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,819 cleansing and I guess that major 639 00:39:36,859 --> 00:39:31,920 cleansing you would say you could class 640 00:39:42,290 --> 00:39:36,869 as an exorcism and because yes it did 641 00:39:45,380 --> 00:39:42,300 that and one thing that happened or was 642 00:39:47,630 --> 00:39:45,390 the heel stones on the ceiling it's a 643 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:47,640 noise like that's what it was like it 644 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:51,450 was like I'm like millions of heel 645 00:39:57,230 --> 00:39:55,410 students on my living room ceiling and I 646 00:39:59,930 --> 00:39:57,240 was looking up and I'm thinking I'm 647 00:40:02,359 --> 00:39:59,940 surely I am not hallucinating this is 648 00:40:05,210 --> 00:40:02,369 like hailstones on glass or pebbles 649 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:05,220 pebbles is probably a better way to 650 00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:08,210 describe it like tables on Auden glass 651 00:40:18,650 --> 00:40:13,680 and I'm looking at my cards and the lire 652 00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:18,660 eyes were the heads looking up to the 653 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:20,400 ceiling so I thought yes they can hear 654 00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:25,530 as well and it stopped after a little 655 00:40:32,420 --> 00:40:30,089 while and but I just read after 656 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:32,430 exorcisms things like that can happen 657 00:40:39,490 --> 00:40:37,170 and you know the sand eel stones on the 658 00:40:42,860 --> 00:40:39,500 the noise of hailstones on the ceiling 659 00:40:45,820 --> 00:40:42,870 was one of the things that I read about 660 00:40:50,650 --> 00:40:45,830 afterwards not before afterwards 661 00:40:53,090 --> 00:40:50,660 I was writing my talk for the conference 662 00:40:56,510 --> 00:40:53,100 from last year it was in possession and 663 00:40:59,300 --> 00:40:56,520 exorcism but I need to keep taking 664 00:41:04,460 --> 00:40:59,310 breaks from it because the more that I 665 00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:04,470 would write something would happen so I 666 00:41:12,980 --> 00:41:10,800 had to became too careful I think all 667 00:41:17,450 --> 00:41:12,990 obviously it's kind of like talk of the 668 00:41:19,820 --> 00:41:17,460 devil you know and I think that 669 00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:19,830 sometimes can be the case I was very 670 00:41:30,260 --> 00:41:25,440 focused on what I was doing and I you 671 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:30,270 know I don't know if I don't know do 672 00:41:33,980 --> 00:41:32,130 they do they want to be here to do they 673 00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:33,990 know or is that a warning that you've 674 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:36,240 not talked about them I really don't 675 00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:40,890 know it's difficult to it's difficult to 676 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:45,510 say however this year and I shared my my 677 00:41:52,730 --> 00:41:48,170 talks and something about laser it's on 678 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:52,740 apparitions of the Virgin Mary and so 679 00:42:01,370 --> 00:41:54,330 that that's my talk for this year so 680 00:42:04,279 --> 00:42:01,380 it's a what's your take on that services 681 00:42:10,489 --> 00:42:04,289 yeah I kind of wonder about some of 682 00:42:11,989 --> 00:42:10,499 those definition things it's oh I have 683 00:42:13,549 --> 00:42:11,999 to take her well about me know where to 684 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:13,559 go with it yeah I've had quite the hair 685 00:42:23,479 --> 00:42:16,170 to take several deputies because you do 686 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:23,489 get like a lot of crowd excited well um 687 00:42:30,499 --> 00:42:25,890 you know one of them thousands of people 688 00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:30,509 witnessed the phenomena the phenomenon 689 00:42:39,019 --> 00:42:35,849 sorry I you know I don't really know how 690 00:42:54,219 --> 00:42:39,029 to take them myself either except that 691 00:42:56,569 --> 00:42:54,229 and if somebody to make a new story or 692 00:42:59,509 --> 00:42:56,579 well I mean I've wondered the same 693 00:43:03,519 --> 00:42:59,519 myself have these appearances been 694 00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:03,529 staged for a reason because um they do 695 00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:08,160 well the M was at Fatima I think what 696 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:11,609 happened and no it was something to do 697 00:43:20,469 --> 00:43:14,450 with Russia and I can't remember offhand 698 00:43:27,259 --> 00:43:20,479 just no but and it certainly seemed to M 699 00:43:30,140 --> 00:43:27,269 ease a situation there I I don't you 700 00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:30,150 know I've not started my talk yet so I 701 00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:32,880 don't want to to see too much because 702 00:43:42,410 --> 00:43:36,089 I've not really made up my mind yet what 703 00:43:45,979 --> 00:43:42,420 we I'm going to go with the talk but I 704 00:43:50,029 --> 00:43:45,989 get where you're coming from with where 705 00:43:52,940 --> 00:43:50,039 they staged or is an actual thing but 706 00:44:00,019 --> 00:43:52,950 then you know when when the water 707 00:44:07,130 --> 00:44:00,029 doesn't trouble I think that then holier 708 00:44:11,329 --> 00:44:07,140 powers can step in and try to help and 709 00:44:18,580 --> 00:44:11,339 so if it is a real thing then perhaps 710 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:21,470 we're talking about that dog look no 711 00:44:40,730 --> 00:44:30,450 you're actually because the Balaton in 712 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:40,740 gnostic church and well and there's 713 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:44,130 probably some good reasons for you not 714 00:44:54,620 --> 00:44:46,770 having heard of that before 715 00:45:00,620 --> 00:44:54,630 um Valentinian ism has never really been 716 00:45:07,220 --> 00:45:00,630 in this country until until I guess 717 00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:07,230 David Perry who was ordained by the 718 00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:11,250 Valentin ins and Italy and so it's been 719 00:45:18,260 --> 00:45:14,730 more of a European thing and and they're 720 00:45:21,260 --> 00:45:18,270 also quite kind of don't want to say 721 00:45:24,260 --> 00:45:21,270 secret cuz I don't really think that 722 00:45:28,370 --> 00:45:24,270 that's the right word to use but they've 723 00:45:32,510 --> 00:45:28,380 historically been persecuted and for 724 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:32,520 their views the Gnostics as Valentinian 725 00:45:40,190 --> 00:45:38,490 was and as valentineís was and so I 726 00:45:43,250 --> 00:45:40,200 think that's probably the reason why 727 00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:43,260 you've not heard much about them it's 728 00:45:56,750 --> 00:45:47,520 all but Gnosticism not gnosis is about 729 00:46:04,270 --> 00:45:56,760 wisdom and it's about the I guess the 730 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:04,280 the wisdom of the inner messages of 731 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:09,570 Christianity do the what does that what 732 00:46:15,950 --> 00:46:12,930 is the actual and the actual message of 733 00:46:20,500 --> 00:46:15,960 the Bible you know what is it symbolic 734 00:46:24,650 --> 00:46:20,510 and you know what what does the symbols 735 00:46:29,940 --> 00:46:24,660 what do they represent and how can they 736 00:46:45,550 --> 00:46:34,210 you know I I guess that that's probably 737 00:46:51,610 --> 00:46:45,560 the simplest well we are trying to sing 738 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:51,620 in the no no no it's alright no 739 00:46:56,530 --> 00:46:54,530 understand what you mean and we are 740 00:47:05,340 --> 00:46:56,540 practicing in the liberal Catholic 741 00:47:11,710 --> 00:47:05,350 tradition we Catholicism was not the 742 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:11,720 oldest form of Christianity Roman 743 00:47:18,730 --> 00:47:15,290 Catholicism rather it was actually Roman 744 00:47:20,980 --> 00:47:18,740 Catholicism that is this you know not 745 00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:20,990 the spin-off but maybe branched the 746 00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:24,110 branches of when one went one way one 747 00:47:32,820 --> 00:47:28,640 went the other way but we are trying to 748 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:32,830 be as close to the original Christianity 749 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:38,930 and I guess it's also quite close to a 750 00:47:52,900 --> 00:47:41,330 or third or you know Orthodox 751 00:47:59,680 --> 00:47:52,910 Christianity as well I guess good bites 752 00:48:03,520 --> 00:47:59,690 cool once you assume it all went wrong I 753 00:48:08,430 --> 00:48:03,530 mean I think you know the teachings of 754 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:08,440 Jesus I have quite you often get 755 00:48:13,660 --> 00:48:11,570 absolutely nothing to do with the 756 00:48:27,730 --> 00:48:13,670 various Christian denominations and 757 00:48:32,310 --> 00:48:27,740 there well the thing is I mean that for 758 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:32,320 example did Jesus ever say that 759 00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:35,930 homosexuality was wrong I don't think he 760 00:48:42,250 --> 00:48:40,250 ever that and it's not 761 00:48:45,180 --> 00:48:42,260 it's not anywhere there that he ever 762 00:48:47,650 --> 00:48:45,190 said that store but but historically 763 00:48:51,070 --> 00:48:47,660 Christianity has had this major issue 764 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:51,080 with homosexuality that's just one small 765 00:48:56,859 --> 00:48:53,690 thing but it's it's probably quite apt 766 00:48:59,950 --> 00:48:56,869 to mention because it's um it's very 767 00:49:05,280 --> 00:48:59,960 much in the news just now um you know 768 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:05,290 it's it's very much a topical subject 769 00:49:15,099 --> 00:49:07,010 for discussion 770 00:49:21,010 --> 00:49:15,109 and and you know i s that we're trying 771 00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:21,020 to get back to that you know that there 772 00:49:27,310 --> 00:49:25,040 is there is nothing this faith is for 773 00:49:31,089 --> 00:49:27,320 everyone there's nothing to debates as 774 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:31,099 it's really all comes down to the one 775 00:49:35,890 --> 00:49:34,130 thing one major thing which is love you 776 00:49:55,390 --> 00:49:35,900 know and that's that's what it's that 777 00:49:57,790 --> 00:49:55,400 sort of stuff though and I've said to 778 00:50:00,520 --> 00:49:57,800 people you imagine that like there's a 779 00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:00,530 big G in the middle that represents God 780 00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:02,960 and we're all all the different faiths 781 00:50:07,780 --> 00:50:05,440 that all standing around looking at this 782 00:50:10,359 --> 00:50:07,790 but we're all sinner from our own 783 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:10,369 perspective but it's the same thing that 784 00:50:20,140 --> 00:50:17,210 we're looking at well yeah I mean you 785 00:50:23,079 --> 00:50:20,150 can look at God scientifically and and 786 00:50:29,260 --> 00:50:23,089 the science is trying to do that so you 787 00:50:33,970 --> 00:50:29,270 know that why not you know all Sciences 788 00:50:37,450 --> 00:50:33,980 is as valid as anything else and we 789 00:50:42,490 --> 00:50:37,460 actually in the Valentin Ian's and the 790 00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:42,500 liberal Catholic churches I don't have 791 00:50:53,580 --> 00:50:47,920 any issue with science at all it it's 792 00:50:55,770 --> 00:50:53,590 it's part of it myself as an atheist 793 00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:55,780 in fact I didn't believe in it but I 794 00:50:59,490 --> 00:50:58,000 didn't believe in afterlife so where 795 00:51:02,400 --> 00:50:59,500 does that leave me really hug look what 796 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:02,410 it leaves me quite confused because I 797 00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:05,050 guess you you might be spiritual rather 798 00:51:11,490 --> 00:51:07,210 than religious yeah that's that kind of 799 00:51:14,820 --> 00:51:11,500 house a lot of people are like that 800 00:51:20,970 --> 00:51:14,830 because we we have become quite a 801 00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:20,980 secular society but that in itself I 802 00:51:28,550 --> 00:51:24,880 think has caused a lot of problems too 803 00:51:32,250 --> 00:51:28,560 you know you see arise for example and a 804 00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:32,260 mental illness and depression and things 805 00:51:36,510 --> 00:51:32,800 like that 806 00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:36,520 no I'm not I mean I don't have all the 807 00:51:47,310 --> 00:51:41,890 answers and this is only I guess but it 808 00:51:50,970 --> 00:51:47,320 wouldn't surprise me if the lack a lack 809 00:52:04,920 --> 00:51:50,980 of spirituality and a lack of you know 810 00:52:07,740 --> 00:52:04,930 focus is unhelpful yeah well they're 811 00:52:11,130 --> 00:52:07,750 very bogged down in the mundane modelled 812 00:52:13,710 --> 00:52:11,140 in the material world and a survey 813 00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:13,720 bogged down and not and they don't think 814 00:52:23,730 --> 00:52:21,250 that there's anything else I mean that 815 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:23,740 would depress me if I didn't think you 816 00:52:28,170 --> 00:52:26,290 know if I thought that you know this was 817 00:52:32,550 --> 00:52:28,180 there and I was in a terrible terrible 818 00:52:39,900 --> 00:52:32,560 situation and I would be I'd be quite 819 00:52:44,670 --> 00:52:39,910 depressed as well but I spirituality is 820 00:52:49,710 --> 00:52:44,680 a very individual thing and I guess each 821 00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:49,720 person has to you know find out what 822 00:52:59,550 --> 00:52:56,530 works for them I think the the one good 823 00:53:07,250 --> 00:52:59,560 thing about and the Valentin in gnostic 824 00:53:12,110 --> 00:53:07,260 church as that you are very host a pizza 825 00:53:19,380 --> 00:53:12,120 you're you're free to explore 826 00:53:25,290 --> 00:53:19,390 spirituality and interpret efficacy it 827 00:53:29,130 --> 00:53:25,300 was the Bible the Gnostic Gospels or or 828 00:53:33,330 --> 00:53:29,140 forever through your own eyes 829 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:33,340 and what you get I offer personally it 830 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:35,170 obviously discussion grips and things 831 00:53:41,130 --> 00:53:39,010 like that help with it's not about 832 00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:41,140 persuasion law it's about putting ideas 833 00:53:48,990 --> 00:53:44,710 forward and seeing more you know what 834 00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:49,000 can what can you get out of that so I 835 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:51,850 think that's probably the the best but 836 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:53,650 you know for me being brought up as our 837 00:53:59,310 --> 00:53:56,010 Protestant we are everything is just 838 00:54:04,170 --> 00:53:59,320 straps out of the churches and it's all 839 00:54:05,550 --> 00:54:04,180 very much just that are there and 840 00:54:13,170 --> 00:54:05,560 there's a reason for that and that's 841 00:54:19,100 --> 00:54:13,180 absolutely fine but um I felt that what 842 00:54:22,350 --> 00:54:19,110 worked for me was visual stimuli and a 843 00:54:26,490 --> 00:54:22,360 ritual and things like that 844 00:54:31,260 --> 00:54:26,500 these kind of I don't know the the gift 845 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:31,270 me something that a Presbyterian azzam 846 00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:36,850 doesn't give me so that's why I I've 847 00:54:44,220 --> 00:54:39,850 ended up doing that it goes very very 848 00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:44,230 much goes hand in hand with um my pagan 849 00:54:50,580 --> 00:54:46,210 beliefs as well I should also mention 850 00:55:05,970 --> 00:54:50,590 that that it doesn't preclude them you 851 00:55:13,050 --> 00:55:05,980 know I guess so yeah I must say it's 852 00:55:17,610 --> 00:55:13,060 amazing like the kind of yeah well I 853 00:55:19,530 --> 00:55:17,620 mean pre always I mean especially you 854 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:19,540 depends what part the bottle Japan and 855 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:20,610 really 856 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:24,610 you know because in the in the Middle 857 00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:28,090 East you know you had the the Hebrew 858 00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:33,250 faith the Jewish faith I don't think 859 00:55:36,780 --> 00:55:35,440 that originally have been called I don't 860 00:55:40,020 --> 00:55:36,790 think they were originally called juice 861 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:40,030 or but I don't think it was originally 862 00:55:46,890 --> 00:55:42,010 known as Judaism but um you certainly 863 00:55:48,510 --> 00:55:46,900 had you certainly had that and there in 864 00:55:53,130 --> 00:55:48,520 the Middle East 865 00:56:20,130 --> 00:55:53,140 um yeah I'm a forgotten freedom school 866 00:56:23,340 --> 00:56:20,140 again you can actually see that because 867 00:56:24,570 --> 00:56:23,350 then you forget about Hinduism and 868 00:56:34,740 --> 00:56:24,580 things like then you forgetting about 869 00:56:37,140 --> 00:56:34,750 the it you know in the Far East I know 870 00:56:39,350 --> 00:56:37,150 you say that so from this kind of 871 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:39,360 started from the Middle East it all the 872 00:56:45,540 --> 00:56:42,370 sort of Far East and the west and 873 00:56:47,250 --> 00:56:45,550 everything from there but as I said we 874 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:47,260 could probably talk a couple hours on 875 00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:49,690 that thing over there yeah I don't know 876 00:56:58,980 --> 00:56:56,050 I I would probably say that um Rome you 877 00:57:03,810 --> 00:56:58,990 know right the borrowed the probably the 878 00:57:06,060 --> 00:57:03,820 more shamanic indigenous cultures but 879 00:57:08,100 --> 00:57:06,070 she could call that that I think you 880 00:57:24,570 --> 00:57:08,110 would call shame and you would call 881 00:57:27,150 --> 00:57:24,580 paganism yeah I was just gonna say I'll 882 00:57:30,410 --> 00:57:27,160 give the conference a quick mention here 883 00:57:33,090 --> 00:57:30,420 then and so it's on the 22nd of June 884 00:57:36,270 --> 00:57:33,100 it's in the Queen Margaret Union 885 00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:36,280 in Glasgow 10:00 a.m. till 6 p.m. 886 00:57:43,530 --> 00:57:39,760 tickets are 10 pounds and you can get 887 00:57:43,950 --> 00:57:43,540 them from ESPI Scotland at gmail.com of 888 00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:43,960 good 889 00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:48,640 gimme it's be myself and Malcolm we're 890 00:57:54,810 --> 00:57:52,960 all given our talks on London's given a 891 00:57:58,190 --> 00:57:54,820 talk on the strange and bizarre Malcolm 892 00:58:01,280 --> 00:57:58,200 the Cottingley fairies and and hawks is 893 00:58:06,450 --> 00:58:01,290 Dennis Doyle who's been on my show 894 00:58:09,330 --> 00:58:06,460 talking about Mothman mysteries Mark 895 00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:09,340 Anderson talking about a haunted 896 00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:12,160 Scottish properties early Buchanan 897 00:58:18,330 --> 00:58:14,650 talking about UFOs and Bonnie bridge and 898 00:58:21,150 --> 00:58:18,340 an atom artery who is going to be 899 00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:21,160 talking about Marilyn and from a 900 00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:25,090 historical point of view the looking at 901 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:28,650 the possibility of Marilyn has been a 902 00:58:32,610 --> 00:58:31,210 are there through I think he comes more 903 00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:32,620 from the school of thought that the 904 00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:35,440 Arthurian legends actually originated in 905 00:58:57,300 --> 00:58:51,850 Scotland yeah 906 00:59:05,510 --> 00:58:57,310 well time has been delightful as always 907 00:59:07,770 --> 00:59:05,520 does thank you for inviting me thank you 908 00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:07,780 might be only be fickle your showed a 909 00:59:12,330 --> 00:59:10,480 bond a oh absolutely absolutely will 910 00:59:13,740 --> 00:59:12,340 definitely do that but do that soon you 911 00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:13,750 go pick it up okay lose it again 912 00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:15,970 yeah we'll do that soon I've been having 913 00:59:24,540 --> 00:59:20,730 a bit of an extended excess miss bleak 914 00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:24,550 but I should be back craziness of the 915 00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:26,770 page anyway anyway okay so goodbye and 916 00:59:31,860 --> 00:59:29,280 thank you very much again thank you 917 00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:31,870 thank you well that's it what a 918 00:59:36,270 --> 00:59:34,210 fantastic PS Edison is and as you can 919 00:59:38,820 --> 00:59:36,280 see if she said she's a very gifted 920 00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:38,830 speaker for herself and that if you want 921 00:59:44,569 --> 00:59:41,200 to ever search you can find on the ADX 922 00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:44,579 file I will put some links on the 923 00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:47,680 but I'm afraid I've got to leave it